It’s 1995 and Carole Fisher is a high-flying divorcee looking for love in Las Vegas. It’s slim pickings in the medical community she works in. But then Bob comes to town. Bob Bierenbaum is a plastic surgeon who flies planes and speaks several languages. Her mom loves that he’s Jewish - but there’s something off about him. He’s perfect on paper but he’s quick to anger and he never talks about his ex-wife. Who, it turns out, is missing and presumed dead.
After Carole and Bob break up she tells her friend Mindy all about Bob’s wife and his bizarre behavior. You see, Mindy dated Bob too, in fact a lot of women in Vegas dated Bob and they all have their own strange stories to tell. Before too long they form a club dedicated to bitching about Bob, eating noodles and figuring out what happened to his wife, Gail.
In this riveting nine part series, Carole Fisher uncovers the truth of Gail Katz’s death, the systems that failed her and all the girlfriends that brought her justice.
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To expect some swearing, this episode really earns it. If you do listen and are impacted by any of our themes, you can reach out to No More, a domestic violence charity we've partnered with. They have lots of great resources to help you or your loved ones. You can find them at no more dot org. That's n o m o r e dotorg. It was early in the morning on October 12, 2000. I arrived at the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse to testify against Bob, and I was terrified. I remember saying to myself, just don't pass out, Carol. Don't pass out. And so with that pep talk over, I entered the building through the revolving door. I emptied my pockets into a tray and I walked through the metal detectors. Shortly after I was greeted by the prosecutors, they pointed out a woman with cropped red hair and told me it was Gail's sister, Elaine. We had spoken about her at the Mayflower a few times, but we didn't know anything about her. She just seemed like a traumatized sister, and that's exactly what she looked like in the courthouse that day, traumatized but determined. Eventually, after some waiting around, it was my turn to testify. I walked out into the cavernous courtroom to see press, the judge, jury, and Bob's new wife. And there, in the chair where people on trial sit, was my ex boyfriend Bob. He looked different, older, more tired, but he did flash me this confusing smirk, a smirk.
8th 1999, the grand jury cast their vote. 14 years ago, a surgeon in New York City reported his wife missing. Now he's being charged with her murder. The investigation went from Long Island to Las Vegas and wound up in North Dakota. In the days following the indictment, the news was everywhere, and they did not spare any details. They say they have new witnesses, new evidence, enough to build a murder case even without the body. I remember the day I was getting ready for work. This is Denise Kasenbaum, Gail's best friend. I was getting dressed in my apartment, and my sister called and she said, turn on the news. This almost reads like a screenplay, but what's scary is that this is a true crime. Turns out back in the nineties, news reporters were not too concerned with holding back the details before they had been proven in court. A loving wife will complain constantly about our husband's violent temper, but of getting away from him, she tried to help and sadly, paid for it with her life. I was just like, oh my god. Finally, you know, I was screaming. I was just yes. She was never seen again, and her family and cops didn't buy the doc's story. We've always been certain that it was him. He is the last person that saw her. His story regarding her whereabouts and what happened never made any sense. Seeing Bob in court being accused of murdering my sister was such a relief. I'm very gratified that after 14 years, the person who murdered my sister is finally standing in a courtroom being charged with that murder. I'm only very, very sorry that my parents are not alive to be here to see this, and I hold him responsible for their deaths as well because they died of a broken heart.
If you do listen and are impacted by any of our themes, you can reach out to Know More, a domestic violence charity we've partnered with. They have lots of great resources to help you or your loved ones. You can find them at no more dot org. That's normore.org. Remember Stephanie Youngblood, the fiancee who met Bob at the New Year's Eve party back in 1989? She's the only regular member of our club that you haven't heard from directly. The sad reason is that Stephanie died from cancer in 2022 just before this podcast went into production. Stephanie was a core member of our club and she dated Bob the longest of all of us, around 3 years. But I never really knew what led to their breakup until Stephanie first joined us at the Mayflower. And I think it's time you found out too. I thought that he was weird. This is Stephanie's best friend, Gina. She saw it all go down. Bob had to one up you. No matter what it was, no matter what you said, if you ordered a certain bottle of wine, there was another one that was better. He was smarter. He was better educated no matter what it was. At first, Stephanie gave Gina the same report everyone gives a bob. Magical dates flying above the desert, great food, skiing, so smart, yada yada yada. I mean, who wouldn't want that on your repertoire? But the way he acted didn't fit any of that to me. There was one particular trip with Bob that raised alarm bells for Gina. They had gone her room. I said, Stephanie, I'm not feeling really good. My stomach her room. I said, Stephanie, I'm not feeling really good. My stomach hurts. She said, come by the room. So I not
